I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Just ask Corey Pavin, Mark Wilson, Mike Weir, Fred Funk. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. I think you wish you hit it further. Mizuno Pro 225 5-GW PX IO endobj Does Trackman update this data each year? Hitting long irons or hybrids into all of the par 4s does not set the AMA up for an enjoyable day on the golf course. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. There isnt anybody who wouldnt like to be able to hit the ball further. But he does not average those. Ive played four rounds since reading this, and shot 81, 83, 79, and 78. In the lower lofted wedges (46-52) at address the club sits squarer, the leading edge looks to be straighter and less rounded at the top of the toe. It sounds like Sophie has found her new fairway wood Titleist's brand new fairway model is seriously hot, New HydraZip face provides 43% more spin in wet conditions. Having the ability to hit it the ball as far as they can has nothing to do with me thinking highly of myself. I ultimately decided on the Tour AD DI 6X as a better choice. Hamish777, March 26, 2013 in WRX Club Techs. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] Of course touring pros are way better than everyone at all facets of the gamethat's why they're out making millions while a bunch of us have idiotic debates over the Internet. With the AMA averaging 30 yards less than his potential, there is a lot of room for improvement. Shafts: True Temper Project X PXi, Wedges: Cobra Trusty Rusty (50, 55), Tour Trusty (60) Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. Yet I hit my driver 230 yards to what they say is average, 214. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. [/quote] You've given me a good laugh for two days now. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364404259' post='6707501'] Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. Hang Time 5.8 Lol, so true.. TrackMan This informative information was more helpful for golfers. Am I as good as tour pro? There is CG shift between lofts and there is a progressive hosel length in the wedges to balance out weight distribution. That's what I think. There is nothing worse than getting the club stuck in the ground at impact. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. What about this awesome drive from Dustin Johnson in Hawaii that everyone was talking about: So the drive went 433 yards. 398 were here. When you account for factors such as wind, elevation, ground conditions and also the context in which the shot is being played Koepka, like all the pros, has a number of options for each iron shot which makes the question of how far he hits each iron a bit more complex than at first you may think. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. [quote name='eddie_max' timestamp='1364438260' post='6711367'] However, the vast majority of the time I spend with my students that would fall into the AMA category is spent on working out the kinks in their swing (to help them hit straighter shots more consistently) and helping them with better contact with the golf ball. Or the public course in Lenoir, NC? Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Launch Angle - 11*[/background][/size][/color] [/quote] Did your coach share the TrackMan report with you on mytrackman.com ? I don't measure my driver distance either. On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. My 8 iron 190yards 5iron 252 yards Pw is 150yrds And loft 56 at 120yrds Loft 110 yrds How do i control the power to less distance? It is vital for them to know exactly how far they hit their wedges with a variety of different types of shots because feel is so important from those short distances, especially at the top level of the game, where a yard or two can make the difference between winning or losing a tournament. [/quote] The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. Granted, their handicaps are high, but it gives a lot of support to what Mr. Pelz has been telling us all these years. Tiger Woods trackman [/quote] I stressed this to my fitter - make sure you talk to them about your golf as they are only seeing a small sample of your game. Pasted as rich text. I'm planning to change my irons this year after a number of years but before heading straight to a club fitter to test out all the latest and greatest models I thought it would be interesting to take What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021), link to What Driver is Most Used On the PGA Tour? This philosophy has been a revelation to me. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. And I suppose they hit it relatively far, but nearly the distances that the public thinks. So just to confirm what we are indeed up against we took a detailed look at just how far the top pros are hitting their clubs. I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. Ball Speed 176.38 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] With a collection of prestigious wins, including the 2017 FedExCup, 2017 PGA Championship, 2021 PLAYERS and 2022 PGA Championship, Justin Thomas is known to many as a celebrated professional on the PGA TOUR. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. No question - 100%. I do agree the AMA should be playing much shorter courses than most presently do. I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. He is committed to having a positive effect on their lives. Club Head Speed 119.55 The fairways where I play are very firm and I get a fair amount of roll. Im sure most of them can squeeze out 10 extra yards on every club on this chart. When we compare these stock yardages for irons between the pros we get a consistent view of yardage which we can accurately compare across the players. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5, Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (46-10F @46.5, 52-08F @51.5, 56-10S @55.5), Titleist Vokey Design WedgeWorks Proto (60.5 T) Now that you guys have more and more data from the combine tests are you going to adjust the hcap chart. Carry Distance 302.9 Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Blue 6 X, 3-wood: Titleist TSR3 (15 degrees @ 14.25) 6 0 obj The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5 (46), Project X 120 6.0 (52-60), Putter: Scotty Cameron 009 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] I dont want my Vokeys to look different to the past designs, I barely want them to perform differently either as you want reliability around the greens. Before it is assumed that the AMA should simply club up, actual distances with each club should be determined. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) To find a TrackMan Certified coach, please see our locator: trackmangolf.com/locator. Not at all. Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. Titleist 906F4 13.5* Fuji Rombax 8Z08 X If a 50% greens in regulation (GIR) stat was desired for the AMA, then the approach shot would need to be approximately 140 yards. The challenge is, improving your distance is a slow and arduous process. A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. However don't be overwhelmed, the good news is that there is only one set up choice in the PW, two in the GW and multiple in SW and LW due to the wider range of shorter shots you play with these clubs. Unless you're using the ball you play with every round, in the different conditions you play in, the numbers on the Trackman are null and void. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho M2, maybe 915 FD 913 HD 712u 3 714 AP2 4-p SM5 53, 59 Circa62 knock it close Advanced Members 6.2k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted I guess that's laughable though, right? Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! Vokey inspect all wedges individually but do recommend you look to change wedges after 75 rounds in order to keep the spin rate at its optimum. TaylorMade Stealth+ 8 w/ PX Handcrafted Prototype EvenFlow Black 65 6.5, TaylorMade SIM ROCKET 14.5 w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 18 Tour Issue w/ PX Handcrafted EvenFlow Black 75 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 3-19 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, TaylorMade SIM 2 Max Rescue 4-22 w/ PX RDX Smoke 90 6.5, Srixon ZX7 6-AW w/ Nippon Modus Tour125 Stiff Standard 60 lob wedges meanwhile carry 95 to 105 yards on average. TrackMan T 'enG~q/Om\#Q`{ HLRpC45`|NiG*"2agUTeu9d10S8xl?O`,`~ja~=j'(d~e?7UN+&iHPI=8NQQ={"K9R1d"3j$NJd[?@fUM)IxJ)Sn-bcVk7*"d9;&!0tB%=7$W&q&:L^q1|T]6k)SF Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Top 50 Player Guide. Shaft: Aldila NV, 7-wood: Callaway Big Bertha I often feel articles such as this are skewed. Other top articles related to this topic: Graeme Hay is the owner of GolfingFocus.com. Launch Angle 11.28 Short hitter compared to the average WRXer Required fields are marked *. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [b]Tiger Woods[/b] You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. Our TrackMan Combine database would contain the answer to those questions, but it would require significant work to pull that information out. While the length of the course is an important factor in scoring, more so is the challenging greens and required approach shots. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] Very interesting but sort of depressing article. I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. It's the short game. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Can trackman info like the dispersion plot data be projected over a course layout? Carry Efficiency 2.51 The best distance comparison we have for those clubs is therefore the carry distance. Hcap 5 will be around 68. I don't play professional golf. Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom, 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) yfvp ~ AnFVS0Y")Mb@3PNm[GVI=! Please have a look at the TrackMan locator at this link; https://mytrackman.com/public/locator, Kind regards Niklas Bergdahl Support Manager. beginer level female golfer how to to benefit ths..is this correct this tracker.. Love all of this data and seeing exactly what the correlation is between the data and player performance! Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. For example for a 170 yard shot into the green a quick glance at his iron yardages shows he could decide to play either a three-quarter 8-iron or try to hit a 9-iron as far as he can his max distance for that club. 3-irons average 217 yds, 4-irons 208 yds, 5-irons 199 yds, 6-irons 188 yds, 7-irons 177 yds, 8-irons 164 yds and 9-irons 153 yds. It's good for some laughs. Course length, driver optimization, and course strategy are three key components to improving the performance of the AMA. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. SM5 53, 59 If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. Distance is great. Many golfers save some money and buy the SM8s and others will upgrade from SM7s to SM9s. WebThis is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers How does yours Compare? Tiger hits his 3-iron a carry distance of 240 yards on average while his 4-iron goes 225 yards and 5-iron 210 yards. Learn how your comment data is processed. Does that make sense? Thanks for posting. Your previous content has been restored. I play from the whites if it is more of a difficult or bigger course. How many average golfers drive the ball 250 yards and keep it in the fairway? The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. More importantly, however, Justins time on the course where his mother and father both worked taught him about responsibility, passion, ethics, camaraderie, and hard work. This promotes a lower ball flight and is seen by tour players as being a more accurate shot than having the ball float into the air. Spin Rate 2,645.8 Top 50 Pros Analysis. Stay up to date and receive free notifications of new posts by email. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. The main part of the fitting was when I moved onto the chipping green and started to hit bunker shots - these clubs just got better and better, theyre so secure in strike and very reliable. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. Without such a grant, his family would not have been able to follow his passion. Carry Efficiency 2.51 The calculated distances for the approach shot are based on actual driver data and optimized driver data for the AMA is also listed. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7 S, Hybrid: Callaway Apex (19 degrees) For those of you interested in how these averages compare to individual pros we have listed in the table below the average stock carry yardages for a selection of the top pros when it comes to how far they hit their driver. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. Take Bubba for example who can increase his AoA to 5-6 and hit balls 350 yards in the air when screwing around on the range however on the course he hardly does that. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. I feel like Seve in the sand these days which is never a bad thing. I appreciate that. The LDA guys can't hang with the short games and are wildly sporadic with their tee shots, hence why they get multiple tries. [/quote] Total Distance Efficiency 2.484 Both wedges I could spin and release depending on the swing I put on the shot, I was especially a fan of the lob wedge chip shot which stopped on the second bounce. I feel like a lot of AMs sacrifice strike for the extra 1-2 mph which ultimately leads to less distance. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. Once AMA understands the likely outcomes for various shots, then he can most effectively implement course strategy for the benefit of improving his golf performance. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. Hi I have always had an out to in swing until recent. Sorry for the ramble. 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